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According to the OpinionJournal of the Wall Street Journal editorial page no serious historian of biblical antiquity has ever doubted that there was a historical Jesus.

By 2 Jim Ley on March 04, 2007

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3 XavierAM who hasn't voted, says

So? Is the opinion page of the WSJ suddenly an authority on this topic?

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6 D'Archangel who hasn't voted, says

Let's play along and stipulate that the WSJ has the magical power to know what people who died centuries ago were thinking. The next obvious question is: What convinces you that their knowledge had any relation whatsoever with reality?

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10 Rachel who hasn't voted, says

Someone was probably real who stirred up some attention. His name almost certainly wasn't Jesus, as that's not even what I've heard most Biblical scholars say. It was probably something close. But saying "Jesus was real" really doesn't mean anything.

We know there were a lot of people stirring up attention at that time period and believed by people to be a messiah.

What about Appolonius of Tyanna who also did a whole bunch of miracles and seems to have been a nicer person than Jesus?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana


http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/incredible_shrinking_son_of_man.html


http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html


Further research seems to show that many Biblical scholars believe that Jesus was neither real nor fake, but a compilation of the doings and believed doings of several different people.

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4 kybernetikos who hasn't voted, says

The wikipedia article on Apollonius says that Edward Gibbon said of him, "we are at a loss to discover whether he was a sage, an imposter, or a fanatic."

Which is almost exactly the same as the quote from CS Lewis that inspired the claim that inspired this claim.

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10 Rachel who hasn't voted, says

Neat :)

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7 Cobra Baghdad who agreed, says

For the record, the news division of the wall street journal has earned serious cred. Almost all media watch groups and internal media groups in America consider the editorial division to be a right wing rag that lies, manipulates data poorly, and hides behind a thin veil of institutional credibility borrowed from its news division.

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2 Jim Ley who agreed, says

Paul Johnson, author of A History of the Jews, is quoted saying, "I doubt if there is any serious scholar alive now who would deny Jesus’ historical existence. Indeed, He is much better authenticated than many secular figures of antiquity whose existence no one has ever presumed to question."

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7 Cobra Baghdad who agreed, says

That statement does nothing to support the credibility of the Wall Street Journal editorial page in general.

You've also typed the exact same words on three other claims.

So What?

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2 Jim Ley who agreed, says

Prof. Lawrence H. Schiffman lectures in

The Modern Scholar: Odyssey of the West II: A Classic Education through the Great Books: From Athens to Rome and the Gospels(Lecture 13),

that

"One of the best sources for Jewish historical information for the first century is the New "Testament, and in the case of Judea, The Gospels.

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7 Cobra Baghdad who agreed, says

Rolls eyes at reference to religious texts as a "source of... historical information." Most of the Gospels were codified in the third century or later, based on translations and copies and oral tradition. The idea of any of them as primary sources is laughable.

The fact that some guy with a Ph.D says something does very little to speak to its accuracy.

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